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Lemonjello
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chris319
Bad link.
MCArroyo1
Ummm... No it's not, unless you changed it in the last 10 minutes.
Jimmy Owen
QUOTE (chris319 @ Jul 23 2004, 07:51 AM)
Bad link.

I agree. I saw it. No one can replace Bill Cullen!
Lemonjello
QUOTE (Jimmy Owen @ Jul 23 2004, 09:36 AM)
No one can replace Bill Cullen!

Google says otherwise! :)

http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare...n%22&q2=%22ken+
jennings%22&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us

Number of results on Google for the keywords "bill cullen" and "ken jennings":

"bill cullen"
( 11 900 results)

versus

"ken jennings"
( 60 500 results)

The winner is: "ken jennings"


And, just for good measure...

http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare...k%22&q2=%22ken+
jennings%22&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us

Number of results on Google for the keywords "alex trebek" and "ken jennings":

"alex trebek"
( 19 000 results)

versus

"ken jennings"
( 60 500 results)

The winner is: "ken jennings"
Jimmy Owen
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 10:34 AM)
QUOTE (Jimmy Owen @ Jul 23 2004, 09:36 AM)
No one can replace Bill Cullen!

Google says otherwise! :)

http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare...n%22&q2=%22ken+
jennings%22&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us

Number of results on Google for the keywords "bill cullen" and "ken jennings":

"bill cullen"
( 11 900 results)

versus

"ken jennings"
( 60 500 results)

The winner is: "ken jennings"


And, just for good measure...

http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare...k%22&q2=%22ken+
jennings%22&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us

Number of results on Google for the keywords "alex trebek" and "ken jennings":

"alex trebek"
( 19 000 results)

versus

"ken jennings"
( 60 500 results)

The winner is: "ken jennings"

Al Gore didn't invent the internet until Bill had been established. If Google had been around in 1956, Bill would have creamed Ken (since I don't think Ken was born yet).
aaron sica
QUOTE (Jimmy Owen @ Jul 23 2004, 11:40 AM)
If Google had been around in 1956, Bill would have creamed Ken (since I don't think Ken was born yet).

I can just see Google in 1956....."We're the first search engine in color"...
Don Howard
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 10:34 AM)
Number of results on Google  for the keywords "bill cullen"  and "ken jennings":
"bill cullen" ( 11 900 results)
versus
"ken jennings"
( 60 500 results)


Bill would probably lose in a contest between him and Britney Spears also. Likewise, Dan Rather would probably get more hits than Walter Cronkite. Using Google search numbers is an unfair comparison.
Lemonjello
QUOTE (Don Howard @ Jul 23 2004, 11:45 AM)
Bill would probably lose in a contest between him and Britney Spears also. Likewise, Dan Rather would probably get more hits than Walter Cronkite. Using Google search numbers is an unfair comparison.

Well, it's not unfair to compare Alex to Ken, is it? And, the fact that Ken easily beats Alex ought to tell you that Ken would beat Bill even if he was "in his prime" now.
Jimmy Owen
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 11:32 AM)
QUOTE (Don Howard @ Jul 23 2004, 11:45 AM)
Bill would probably lose in a contest between him and Britney Spears also. Likewise, Dan Rather would probably get more hits than Walter Cronkite. Using Google search numbers is an unfair comparison.

Well, it's not unfair to compare Alex to Ken, is it? And, the fact that Ken easily beats Alex ought to tell you that Ken would beat Bill even if he was "in his prime" now.

How many of those references are actually about the J! champ? You can bet all the "Trebek" references are about Alex.
Brandon Brooks
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 12:58 AM)
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It's amazing how a couple of months completely overwrites four decades.

Brandon Brooks
Lemonjello
QUOTE (Jimmy Owen @ Jul 23 2004, 12:52 PM)
How many of those references are actually about the J! champ? You can bet all the "Trebek" references are about Alex.

Well, I didn't count, but I'd guess that 99% of them are about the Jeopardy! champ. Is there another Ken Jennings that I don't know about?
clemon79
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 09:32 AM)
Well, it's not unfair to compare Alex to Ken, is it? And, the fact that Ken easily beats Alex ought to tell you that Ken would beat Bill even if he was "in his prime" now.

Your logic is Karlbergian in it's utter inanity.
Matt Ottinger
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 01:05 PM)
QUOTE (Jimmy Owen @ Jul 23 2004, 12:52 PM)
How many of those references are actually about the J! champ?  You can bet all the "Trebek" references are about Alex.

Well, I didn't count, but I'd guess that 99% of them are about the Jeopardy! champ. Is there another Ken Jennings that I don't know about?

Several, as a matter of fact. And while a great many of the Google searches are probably for the Jeopardy champ, I'm sure it's nowhere near 99%. It may even be less than 50%.

For example, if your search term goes from "ken jennings" to "ken Jennings" + jeopardy, the hits go from 57,600 to 24,400. And I doubt that there are too many references to THAT Ken Jennings that don't also mention Jeopardy.

As a matter of fact, if you do "ken jennings" MINUS jeopardy, you immediately find a successful stage actor by that name, who's probably responsible for thousands of those hits alone.
Lemonjello
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Jul 23 2004, 01:06 PM)
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 09:32 AM)
Well, it's not unfair to compare Alex to Ken, is it? And, the fact that Ken easily beats Alex ought to tell you that Ken would beat Bill even if he was "in his prime" now.

Your logic is Karlbergian in it's utter inanity.

Let me guess, you have a Bill Cullen poster hanging in your room, don't you?
Modor
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 12:37 PM)
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Jul 23 2004, 01:06 PM)
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 09:32 AM)
Well, it's not unfair to compare Alex to Ken, is it? And, the fact that Ken easily beats Alex ought to tell you that Ken would beat Bill even if he was "in his prime" now.

Your logic is Karlbergian in it's utter inanity.

Let me guess, you have a Bill Cullen poster hanging in your room, don't you?

Which isn't the point at all. His point is that Bill Cullen died in 1990...before the internet was commonplace. This is 2004....when it is commonplace...and Ken Jennings is all the rage. You were comparing Granny Smiths to Navels.
Lemonjello
QUOTE (Matt Ottinger @ Jul 23 2004, 01:36 PM)
For example, if your search term goes from "ken jennings" to "ken Jennings" + jeopardy, the hits go from 57,600 to 24,400. And I doubt that there are too many references to THAT Ken Jennings that don't also mention Jeopardy.

Well, that's a bit biased, don't you think? "Bill Cullen"+host brings him down to 2,460. I doubt there are too many Bill Cullen references that don't mention the word "host."



whampyl03
QUOTE
Well, it's not unfair to compare Alex to Ken, is it? And, the fact that Ken easily beats Alex ought to tell you that Ken would beat Bill even if he was "in his prime" now.


I think it would be MORE fair then BC vs. KJ, but still not completely fair considering Alex's career predated wide-spread internet use as well. (Using the "No Internet in 1956" logic previously stated by Jimmy Owen.)
Matt Ottinger
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE (Matt Ottinger @ Jul 23 2004, 01:36 PM)
For example, if your search term goes from "ken jennings" to "ken Jennings" + jeopardy, the hits go from 57,600 to 24,400.  And I doubt that there are too many references to THAT Ken Jennings that don't also mention Jeopardy.

Well, that's a bit biased, don't you think? "Bill Cullen"+host brings him down to 2,460. I doubt there are too many Bill Cullen references that don't mention the word "host."

<sigh>

Careful about which arguments you're making. YOU said that 99% of the "ken jennings" Google hits were about the Jeopardy player. I used several examples to show you how incredibly wrong you were. There are tens of thousands of hits that appear to have nothing to do with the Jeopardy champ, and specifically relate to other people named Ken Jennings.

I wasn't making any argument about your comparison with Bill Cullen, which I frankly find pointless and more or less accurate at the same time. I happen to know that there are many other Bill Cullens who have a presence on the internet.

Finally, if you Google "Bill Cullen" MINUS host, seven of the ten links on the first page are still about the game show host Bill Cullen. If you Google "Ken Jennings" MINUS jeopardy, none of the hits on the first page (and only one of the first twenty) are about the champ. So that was a pretty lousy example on your part.
Lemonjello
QUOTE (Dsmith @ Jul 23 2004, 01:47 PM)
His point is that Bill Cullen died in 1990...before the internet was commonplace. This is 2004....when it is commonplace...and Ken Jennings is all the rage. You were comparing Granny Smiths to Navels.

Yes, but Trebek is very much alive and quite popular, isn't he? And, he and Cullen are comparable, aren't they? Since Jennings > Trebek, than isn't it safe to say that Jennings would have more hits than Cullen even if he were alive and in his prime?

Anyway, I don't think being dead means much Google-wise. Babe Ruth has been dead for a very long time, And he still has more hits than Barry Bonds.












Modor
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 01:13 PM)
Yes, but Trebek is very much alive and quite popular, isn't he? And, he and Cullen are comparable, aren't they?

Not at all.
Read up about 3 posts.
adamjk
I just typed in Ken Jennings on Yahoo, and found this article:
http://www.kottke.org/04/07/ken-jennings-jeopardy

Funny stuff.
Lemonjello
QUOTE (Matt Ottinger @ Jul 23 2004, 02:08 PM)
Finally, if you Google "Bill Cullen" MINUS host, seven of the ten links on the first page are still about the game show host Bill Cullen.  If you Google "Ken Jennings" MINUS jeopardy, none of the hits on the first page (and only one of the first twenty) are about the champ.  So that was a pretty lousy example on your part.

Well, all that means is that Ken Jennings is attached to the word "Jeopardy" more then Bill Cullen is attached to the word "host."

Yes, I was wrong about 99%. But, fact is, ("Ken Jennings"+ Jeopardy) blows ("Bill Cullen" + host) out of the water on Google. Does he deserve to (not that it matters much anyway)? Who knows. It's just a matter of opinion.
Lemonjello
QUOTE (Dsmith @ Jul 23 2004, 02:28 PM)
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 01:13 PM)
Yes, but Trebek is very much alive and quite popular, isn't he? And, he and Cullen are comparable, aren't they?

Not at all.
Read up about 3 posts.

I think you'd better see my post about Barry Bonds and Babe Ruth.
Modor
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 02:02 PM)
QUOTE (Dsmith @ Jul 23 2004, 02:28 PM)
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 01:13 PM)
Yes, but Trebek is very much alive and quite popular, isn't he? And, he and Cullen are comparable, aren't they?

Not at all.
Read up about 3 posts.

I think you'd better see my post about Barry Bonds and Babe Ruth.

I think you'd better have an inkling of a clue as to what your posting, as two baseball players, versus two game show hosts are two completely different mediums.
chris319
Now the link works.

We'll replace Bill with Ken only if you can make it an animated GIF with his head spinning round and round a la Linda Blair and the Match Game opening vamp underneath.

Maybe.
rigsby
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 01:13 PM)
Babe Ruth has been dead for a very long time, And he still has more hits than Barry Bonds.

He also has more hits on Google than Ken Jennings...
chris319
He deserves this, too:

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/N.../15/543421.html
Brandon Brooks
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 02:02 PM)
I think you'd better see my post about Barry Bonds and Babe Ruth.

Yep, you and Karlberg should talk.

Your argument has so many holes in it isn't funny. Just give it up.

Brandon Brooks
CarShark
QUOTE (chris319 @ Jul 23 2004, 02:37 PM)
He deserves this, too:

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/N.../15/543421.html

What do you have against the man, anyways? It's not his fault that he is smart or that he is good at the game. I blame the other contestants more than anyone else. Mr. Ottinger proved that Mr. Jennings is not an insurmountable force, so they really have no excuse for getting blown out other than their own incompetence.

I think that Mr. Jennings could adorn a game show website if people are still talking about him 25-30 years later, as with Bill Cullen.
clemon79
It is my guess, as someone who enjoys the practice a great deal, that Chris is playing devil's advocate with all of you folks who are crowing Ken as The Best Thing To Happen To Game Shows...Wait, Maybe My Entire Life, and jerking your chains a little bit, while Ken would be the first to tell you he puts his pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us.* And he seems to be enjoying a good deal of success.

* I do not put my pants on one leg at a time like the rest of you. I have a member of my staff hold them open while I jump into them.
Lemonjello
QUOTE (Dsmith @ Jul 23 2004, 03:04 PM)
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 02:02 PM)
QUOTE (Dsmith @ Jul 23 2004, 02:28 PM)
QUOTE (Lemonjello @ Jul 23 2004, 01:13 PM)
Yes, but Trebek is very much alive and quite popular, isn't he? And, he and Cullen are comparable, aren't they?

Not at all.
Read up about 3 posts.

I think you'd better see my post about Barry Bonds and Babe Ruth.

I think you'd better have an inkling of a clue as to what your posting, as two baseball players, versus two game show hosts are two completely different mediums.

Oy vey.

It's a perfectly good comparison. It doesn't matter that baseball and game shows are completely different things. I'm still comparing dead guy to living guy and dead guy to living guy (to show that being dead isn't necessarily a disadvantage Google-wise).
chris319
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Jul 23 2004, 02:04 PM)
It is my guess, as someone who enjoys the practice a great deal, that Chris is playing devil's advocate with all of you folks who are crowing Ken as The Best Thing To Happen To Game Shows...Wait, Maybe My Entire Life, and jerking your chains a little bit, while Ken would be the first to tell you he puts his pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us.* And he seems to be enjoying a good deal of success.

* I do not put my pants on one leg at a time like the rest of you. I have a member of my staff hold them open while I jump into them.

You're smarter than you look. I have no idea what you look like, but you're smarter.

We didn't set this board up for people NOT to discuss things. I am openly not a Ken fan, and it's only logical for me to use this as grist for our little discussion mill. As pointed out elsewhere, this subject is so topical that the N.Y. Times is doing stories about Ken; it is likewise logical that there would be a lot of message traffic about him on a game show discussion board.

As for insulting Ken, I apologize if he feels insulted by anything I have written, but I would ask JenKennings to name one actor of any standing who has never received an unfavorable review (if Ken shows up at the Game Show Congreff with a switchblade, I'm in deep doo-doo).

As for putting on pants, after I command my pants to stand up by themselves, I levitate and float into them. The staff is busy warming up the limo.
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