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Kevin Prather
I'll post a category that'd likely be on the top rung of Dick Clark's $100,000 Pyramid early in the tournament. You try and think of 3 good clues for it, or 1 awesome clue, then post your own. Remember, it's the tournament, so they should be hard.



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| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
| .EXONERATED |
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clemon79
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 6 2003, 02:25 PM)

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| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
| .EXONERATED |
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Wow. That's a good one.

"An innocent defendant" comes to mind, but I dunno what else. Truly, that one is so hard (as it should be, tho!) that I just don't see a "magic clue" that paints the picture, they would have to get it by stumbling onto it while rattling off other synonyms.
Kevin Prather
One i thought of was "A retrialed innocent prisoner". Would that get it perhaps?
clemon79
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 6 2003, 03:18 PM)
One i thought of was "A retrialed innocent prisoner". Would that get it perhaps?

Not sure where "retrialed" adds anything. "Exonerated" simply implies that you were found not to have commited the crimes that you were accused of. Unless I'm missing something, and do educate me if I am :)
Kevin Prather
Well, exonerate means that you were found innocent. If you are innocent, and you were convicted, and then you were for some reason retrialed, you may be found innocent, or exonerated.

You're right. It is tough, but you have to admit one thing: if they get it, they earned $100,000!

How about this one...


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| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
| . .ELITE . .|
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fostergray82
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Dec 6 2003, 05:25 PM)
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 6 2003, 03:18 PM)
One i thought of was "A retrialed innocent prisoner". Would that get it perhaps?

Not sure where "retrialed" adds anything. "Exonerated" simply implies that you were found not to have commited the crimes that you were accused of. Unless I'm missing something, and do educate me if I am :)

Would "An acquited prisoner" work, or anything with acquited in the description?

Or is that considered synonymous?
Kevin Prather
QUOTE (fostergray82 @ Dec 6 2003, 05:37 PM)
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Dec 6 2003, 05:25 PM)
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 6 2003, 03:18 PM)
One i thought of was "A retrialed innocent prisoner". Would that get it perhaps?

Not sure where "retrialed" adds anything. "Exonerated" simply implies that you were found not to have commited the crimes that you were accused of. Unless I'm missing something, and do educate me if I am :)

Would "An acquited prisoner" work, or anything with acquited in the description?

Or is that considered synonymous?

I'm pretty sure Acquit and Exonerate are the same thing.
ChuckNet
Let's not forget the most impossible of all WC categories, "THINGS THAT ARE PERCEIVED".

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
Kevin Prather
Oy! And that wasn't even in a tournament!!!
vtown7
QUOTE


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| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . .      |
| . .ELITE . .      |
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The NCAA Basketball's Final Eight?

I think I can say that..

Cheers,

Ryan :)
Monarx
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 6 2003, 05:37 PM)
Well, exonerate means that you were found innocent. If you are innocent, and you were convicted, and then you were for some reason retrialed, you may be found innocent, or exonerated.

You're right. It is tough, but you have to admit one thing: if they get it, they earned $100,000!

How about this one...


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| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
| . .ELITE . .|
+-------------+

A chess grandmaster's skills, maybe? Or...
The US's Armed Forces

How about...

"THINGS YOU DENOUNCE"
JayC
QUOTE (Monarx @ Dec 6 2003, 07:33 PM)
How about...

"THINGS YOU DENOUNCE"

The person who mentioned the NCAA basketball had a good idea for elite, I definately would have to go with that, since I have no idea otherwise.

For Things you denounce- Circulating rumors about you, Untrue gossip
Robert Hutchinson
QUOTE (ChuckNet @ Dec 6 2003, 06:41 PM)
Let's not forget the most impossible of all WC categories, "THINGS THAT ARE PERCEIVED".

Depth. (stare intently at partner)
Kevin Prather
When I saw the category, I tried to think of something that ties to a percival. I dunno if that's right or wrong, though.
clemon79
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 6 2003, 03:39 PM)
I'm pretty sure Acquit and Exonerate are the same thing.

Ya know, I'm not. "Acquitted" is a legal term, whereas "Exonerated" isn't, necessarily. I think that would get through. Might help, too.
clemon79
QUOTE (vtown7 @ Dec 6 2003, 05:13 PM)
QUOTE


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| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . .       |
| . .ELITE . .      |
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The NCAA Basketball's Final Eight?

I think I can say that..

On the Osmond show, maybe. You'd get buzzed immediately on Clark. If you yanked out "Final", you MIGHT be fine. If you yanked out "Basketball" as well ('cuz other NCAA sports do have an Elite Eight, the basketball one just gets the most press), I think you'd be fine.

First thing I thought of is "A Swedish hockey league", since in fact their equivalent to the NHL is the Swedish Elite League, but I dunno how many people would know that.
Steve McClellan
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Dec 6 2003, 06:55 PM)
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 6 2003, 03:39 PM)
I'm pretty sure Acquit and Exonerate are the same thing.

Ya know, I'm not. "Acquitted" is a legal term, whereas "Exonerated" isn't, necessarily. I think that would get through. Might help, too.

From m-w.com:

Acquit: to discharge completely (as from an obligation or accusation)

Exonerate: to relieve of a responsibility, obligation, or hardship

Both are given as synonyms of "exculpate": "EXONERATE implies a complete clearance from an accusation or charge and from any attendant suspicion of blame or guilt <exonerated by the investigation>. ACQUIT implies a formal decision in one's favor with respect to a definite charge <voted to acquit the defendant>."

I think this one depends what kind of mood the judge is in.
Kevin Prather
Ready for a funny joke?


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| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
|INCAPACITATED|
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Try getting your partner to say THAT!
Little Big Brother
QUOTE
On the Osmond show, maybe. You'd get buzzed immediately on Clark. If you yanked out "Final", you MIGHT be fine. If you yanked out "Basketball" as well ('cuz other NCAA sports do have an Elite Eight, the basketball one just gets the most press), I think you'd be fine.


I don't see why you would get buzzed. Final is not a preposition, it would be an adjective in this case. And I have no idea why you would need to take out "basketball", would you care to explain?
Jimmy Owen
I was gonna say "Things Tom Cruise's Dentist Enshrines" but that wouldn't work on Clark Pyramid.
clemon79
QUOTE (Little Big Brother @ Dec 6 2003, 08:35 PM)
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On the Osmond show, maybe. You'd get buzzed immediately on Clark. If you yanked out "Final", you MIGHT be fine. If you yanked out "Basketball" as well ('cuz other NCAA sports do have an Elite Eight, the basketball one just gets the most press), I think you'd be fine.


I don't see why you would get buzzed. Final is not a preposition, it would be an adjective in this case. And I have no idea why you would need to take out "basketball", would you care to explain?

It's been my experience that you could get away with one or two adjectives, but if you tried to get that descriptive, you were asking for a buzzer.

That said, "old time Japanese women's feet" was once accepted for "Things That Are Bound", so I may be speaking ex-rectum.
Mike Tennant
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Dec 6 2003, 10:00 PM)
QUOTE (vtown7 @ Dec 6 2003, 05:13 PM)
QUOTE


+----------------+
| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . .       |
| . .ELITE . .      |
+-----------------+



The NCAA Basketball's Final Eight?

I think I can say that..

On the Osmond show, maybe. You'd get buzzed immediately on Clark. If you yanked out "Final", you MIGHT be fine. If you yanked out "Basketball" as well ('cuz other NCAA sports do have an Elite Eight, the basketball one just gets the most press), I think you'd be fine.

First thing I thought of is "A Swedish hockey league", since in fact their equivalent to the NHL is the Swedish Elite League, but I dunno how many people would know that.

For another, somewhat obscure clue (which would have worked better in the days of typewriters): A narrow typeface
Jimmy Owen
What is the legality of saying a incorrect clue to direct someone that the word is similar? For example, for "Things that are Elite, you could say "The mother on 'Family Ties'" hoping "Elyse" would pop in to your partners head. Dick would yell "READ IT AGAIN," but it might lead the guesser that it was a similarly spelled word.
clemon79
QUOTE (Jimmy Owen @ Dec 8 2003, 11:46 AM)
What is the legality of saying a incorrect clue to direct someone that the word is similar? For example, for "Things that are Elite, you could say "The mother on 'Family Ties'" hoping "Elyse" would pop in to your partners head. Dick would yell "READ IT AGAIN," but it might lead the guesser that it was a similarly spelled word.

It's not. If you continue to give clues outside of the category even after Dick prompts you to reread, you will get buzzed.
Neumms
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Dec 6 2003, 09:55 PM)
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 6 2003, 03:39 PM)
I'm pretty sure Acquit and Exonerate are the same thing.

Ya know, I'm not. "Acquitted" is a legal term, whereas "Exonerated" isn't, necessarily. I think that would get through. Might help, too.

What about "wrongly accused defendant"? Subtle change, but it might help. In that there's only one clue (we're just kibbutzing about the best wording), it's not so much a hard category as a bad one.

For elite, how about: "a society's weathiest members." That one IS hard.

The all-time hardest Pyramid category (sans box):
THINGS THAT EXIST.

2nd hardest (for the bottom row):
THINGS MARCEL MARCEAU MIGHT SAY.

Jimmy Owen
I've got one for elite: Duffy's Tavern diners. Of course, your partner would have to be really old to get it.
Little Big Brother
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2nd hardest (for the bottom row):
THINGS MARCEL MARCEAU MIGHT SAY.


"Shhh!" (from Mel Brooks' Silent Movie)


QUOTE
What is the legality of saying a incorrect clue to direct someone that the word is similar? For example, for "Things that are Elite, you could say "The mother on 'Family Ties'" hoping "Elyse" would pop in to your partners head. Dick would yell "READ IT AGAIN," but it might lead the guesser that it was a similarly spelled word. 


It's not. If you continue to give clues outside of the category even after Dick prompts you to reread, you will get buzzed.


Sometimes they'll buzz you even without prompting from Dick. I recall Henry Polic II giving the clue "The Old Man and the Sea" for THINGS ON THE BOTTOM and he got buzzed. Unfortunately no explanation was offered as to why he would give that as a clue, and having not read the book I have no idea why he thought that would be a good clue anyway.
Jay Temple
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 6 2003, 04:39 PM)
QUOTE (fostergray82 @ Dec 6 2003, 05:37 PM)
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Dec 6 2003, 05:25 PM)
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 6 2003, 03:18 PM)
One i thought of was "A retrialed innocent prisoner". Would that get it perhaps?

Not sure where "retrialed" adds anything. "Exonerated" simply implies that you were found not to have commited the crimes that you were accused of. Unless I'm missing something, and do educate me if I am :)

Would "An acquited prisoner" work, or anything with acquited in the description?

Or is that considered synonymous?

I'm pretty sure Acquit and Exonerate are the same thing.

O.J. Simpson and Lizzie Borden would disagree with you. Both were acquitted, but Lizzie remains guilty in the public mind, and a jury found for the plaintiffs in O.J.'s wrongful death suit. So, there's just enough of a distinction to make the clue legal.
Jay Temple
QUOTE (Mike Tennant @ Dec 8 2003, 12:14 PM)
[QUOTE=clemon79,Dec 6 2003, 10:00 PM][QUOTE=vtown7,Dec 6 2003, 05:13 PM] [QUOTE]

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| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . .       |
| . .ELITE . .      |
+-----------------+

For another, somewhat obscure clue (which would have worked better in the days of typewriters): A narrow typeface

Your answer is a variant on mine: 12-point type.
Jay Temple
QUOTE (ChuckNet @ Dec 6 2003, 05:41 PM)
Let's not forget the most impossible of all WC categories, "THINGS THAT ARE PERCEIVED".

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")

a non-existent threat

"Depth," already given, is good too.
Jay Temple
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 6 2003, 09:16 PM)
Ready for a funny joke?


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| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
|INCAPACITATED|
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Try getting your partner to say THAT!

A 25th-Amendment President

or else

A 25th-Amendment Vice-President's President
Jay Temple
QUOTE (Neumms @ Dec 8 2003, 02:13 PM)
The all-time hardest Pyramid category (sans box):
THINGS THAT EXIST.

René des Cartes
God
Kevin Prather
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Dec 8 2003, 02:04 PM)
QUOTE (Jimmy Owen @ Dec 8 2003, 11:46 AM)
What is the legality of saying a incorrect clue to direct someone that the word is similar?  For example, for "Things that are Elite, you could say "The mother on 'Family Ties'" hoping "Elyse" would pop in to your partners head.  Dick would yell "READ IT AGAIN," but it might lead the guesser that it was a similarly spelled word.

It's not. If you continue to give clues outside of the category even after Dick prompts you to reread, you will get buzzed.

"The mother on 'Family Ties'" would get buzzed anyway because of the preposition.
Kevin Prather
How's this one?


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| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
|. ENTHRALLED |
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clemon79
QUOTE (Jay Temple @ Dec 8 2003, 03:04 PM)
O.J. Simpson and Lizzie Borden would disagree with you.

Fortunately, neither one of them have ever written a dictionary, so what they think is irrelevant to the issue at hand ;)
QUOTE
Your answer is a variant on mine: 12-point type.

'Cept in this day and age pretty much any font can be 12-point, not just Pica and Elite. Good thinking, tho.
QUOTE
God

Most athiests or agnostics (myself included) would outright disagree or at least question you, but that's a discussion for another board.
Monarx
How about a theoretical god, or prehistoric dinosaurs?
Jimmy Owen
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Dec 8 2003, 06:35 PM)
QUOTE (Jay Temple @ Dec 8 2003, 03:04 PM)
O.J. Simpson and Lizzie Borden would disagree with you.

Fortunately, neither one of them have ever written a dictionary, so what they think is irrelevant to the issue at hand ;)
QUOTE
Your answer is a variant on mine: 12-point type.

'Cept in this day and age pretty much any font can be 12-point, not just Pica and Elite. Good thinking, tho.
QUOTE
God

Most athiests or agnostics (myself included) would outright disagree or at least question you, but that's a discussion for another board.

Things that are Agnostic?
fostergray82
I just thought of another one

THINGS
THAT ARE
PARDONED

Would either "an electric chair prisoner" or "the governor's electric chair prisoner" be too descriptive?

For the record, I also thought of "my French," and "the interruption." ;-)
Little Big Brother
Hmmm, I think the rules for the winner's circle need to be clarified a bit.

A clue can be buzzed if:

Any part of the answer is given in the clue. For example, THINGS THAT OBEY: "An Obedient Dog" (D'oh!)

The clue contains a prepositional phrase. This does not include "Things ____ would say" or "Why you _____". This rule is not as clean cut a rule on the current incarnation of Pyramid.

The clue contains a synonym of the key word. This is determined by the key word appearing in the dictionary definition of the clue word or vice versa.

The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone.


Usually if a clue is described as "Too Descriptive", it is because it has violated either the second or third rule in some way.


If there are any corrections to this, please post them. Also, isn't there a site that has a bunch of Game Show rules? If so, are the WC rules there?
trainman
QUOTE (fostergray82 @ Dec 8 2003, 04:58 PM)
I just thought of another one

THINGS
THAT ARE
PARDONED

Would either "an electric chair prisoner" or "the governor's electric chair prisoner" be too descriptive?

First clue that comes to mind is "President Ford's predecessor." (I can't think of a way to get both "Nixon" and "Ford" in the same clue without using prepositional phrases.)
zachhoran
QUOTE (trainman @ Dec 8 2003, 09:28 PM)
QUOTE (fostergray82 @ Dec 8 2003, 04:58 PM)
I just thought of another one

THINGS
THAT ARE
PARDONED

Would either "an electric chair prisoner" or "the governor's electric chair prisoner" be too descriptive?

First clue that comes to mind is "President Ford's predecessor." (I can't think of a way to get both "Nixon" and "Ford" in the same clue without using prepositional phrases.)

Things that are Pardoned: a Grey-Poupon seeking passenger?
Kevin Prather
QUOTE (Little Big Brother @ Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM)
The clue contains a prepositional phrase. This does not include "Things ____ would say" or "Why you _____". This rule is not as clean cut a rule on the current incarnation of Pyramid.

I know for "What ____ might say", the answer on the card was usually in quotations. Was that so for "Why you ___"? Because that would make it simple. If there are no quotations, no prepositions.
zachhoran
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 8 2003, 09:43 PM)

I know for "What ____ might say", the answer on the card was usually in quotations. Was that so for "Why you ___"?

Nope.
J.R.
Hey, how about:

"THING'S RICHARD GERE'S DENTIST WOULD SAY" (/smart@$$)

-Joe R.
Kevin Prather
Throws a Sony Pocket Organizer at JRaygor's head.

:)
GS Warehouse
QUOTE (Little Big Brother @ Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM)
The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone.

One example of such an infraction: in 1982, the subject was "Things you fry", and Barry Gordon was buzzed for the clue "a French potato". Jack Clark said there is no such thing.

Here's my facetious subject...one that hits home with this group:
GOOD GAME SHOW JOKES! :-D
Kevin Prather
QUOTE (GS Warehouse @ Dec 8 2003, 11:37 PM)
QUOTE (Little Big Brother @ Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM)
The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone.

One example of such an infraction: in 1982, the subject was "Things you fry", and Barry Gordon was buzzed for the clue "a French potato". Jack Clark said there is no such thing.

Surely you mean Dick Clark, right?
Kevin Prather
While we're on the topic of how to get buzzed, I remember an episode where the category was "THINGS WITH AN EDGE", and Lois Nettleton* said "The soap opera's night". She, of course was referring to the soap opera "At The Edge of Night". She was buzzed immediately. Why? Apparently, there is "a long list of reasons".

*=I think it was Lois Nettleton, or it may have been Constance McCashin.
tommycharles
QUOTE (Jimmy Owen @ Dec 8 2003, 07:20 PM)

Things that are Agnostic?

Well, aside from Chris ;-)

My original intent for that was to go looking online to see if there were any famous atheists. While there are plenty, I don't think anyone would get the catagory just from their names.

Actually I can't think of one good clue for this - "a non-believer" would get me buzz instantly , right?

BTW - would those of you who don't believe in that kind of thing still be able to get "things that exist" from the clue of "God"? Or would you throw it on principal (j/k)?

Oh, and as for a catagory - what about "Vegetarians" for a lower tier box?

www.46664.com
GS Warehouse
QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 8 2003, 11:40 PM)
QUOTE (GS Warehouse @ Dec 8 2003, 11:37 PM)
QUOTE (Little Big Brother @ Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM)
The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone.

One example of such an infraction: in 1982, the subject was "Things you fry", and Barry Gordon was buzzed for the clue "a French potato". Jack Clark said there is no such thing.

Surely you mean Dick Clark, right?

No, Jack Clark was the announcer at the time, and in the really old days, Jack would actually speak for the judges.
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