Kevin Prather
Dec 8 2003, 11:52 PM
| QUOTE (GS Warehouse @ Dec 8 2003, 11:47 PM) |
| QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 8 2003, 11:40 PM) | | QUOTE (GS Warehouse @ Dec 8 2003, 11:37 PM) | | QUOTE (Little Big Brother @ Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM) | | The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone. |
One example of such an infraction: in 1982, the subject was "Things you fry", and Barry Gordon was buzzed for the clue "a French potato". Jack Clark said there is no such thing.
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Surely you mean Dick Clark, right?
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No, Jack Clark was the announcer at the time, and in the really old days, Jack would actually speak for the judges.
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ahh. I stand corrected.
fostergray82
Dec 9 2003, 12:41 AM
| QUOTE (GS Warehouse @ Dec 8 2003, 11:37 PM) |
| QUOTE (Little Big Brother @ Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM) | | The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone. |
One example of such an infraction: in 1982, the subject was "Things you fry", and Barry Gordon was buzzed for the clue "a French potato". Jack Clark said there is no such thing.
Here's my facetious subject...one that hits home with this group:
GOOD GAME SHOW JOKES! :-D
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-TTD90
-CS01
-Three's A Crowd
I'm getting tears in my eyes just thinking about them. :-P
Unrealtor
Dec 9 2003, 12:57 AM
This one could be a bottom-row tournament box, I'd think, because, once you see it, the clues make sense, but it's difficult to draw the connection. I'll give it backwards, just to test you:
Cool indoor air
An athlete's body
Dry hair
The answer (highlight to see): THINGS THAT ARE CONDITIONED
fostergray82
Dec 9 2003, 01:10 AM
| QUOTE (Unrealtor @ Dec 9 2003, 12:57 AM) |
This one could be a bottom-row tournament box, I'd think, because, once you see it, the clues make sense, but it's difficult to draw the connection. I'll give it backwards, just to test you:
Cool indoor air
An athlete's body
Dry hair
The answer (highlight to see): THINGS THAT ARE CONDITIONED |
That was a good one...I'd maybe even put that in the middle row.
Robert Hutchinson
Dec 9 2003, 07:21 AM
THINGS MARCEL MARCEAU WOULD SAY: "I'm the most famous mime in the world, and I actually talk quite a bit when I'm not performing."
Regarding clues that don't fit the category at all, it has been my observation that they don't get buzzed unless there's a fair likelihood that the clue is intended to reveal the subject in a sneaky way. So, for example, "water" wouldn't get buzzed for THINGS THAT ARE CREAMY, but "ice" probably would.
Jay Temple
Dec 9 2003, 12:50 PM
Regarding my earlier clue of "God," I realize it's not agreed upon, but I think saying it after des Cartes would get the recipient thinking in the right area.
| QUOTE (Robert Hutchinson @ Dec 9 2003, 06:21 AM) |
| Regarding clues that don't fit the category at all, it has been my observation that they don't get buzzed unless there's a fair likelihood that the clue is intended to reveal the subject in a sneaky way. So, for example, "water" wouldn't get buzzed for THINGS THAT ARE CREAMY, but "ice" probably would. |
My favorite example of a clue that didn't fit the category:
SHORT PEOPLE
Randy Newman--Bzzz!
Explanation: Randy Newman is over six feet tall. "Randy Newman's enemies" would have been acceptable.
Neumms
Dec 9 2003, 01:12 PM
| QUOTE (Robert Hutchinson @ Dec 9 2003, 07:21 AM) |
THINGS MARCEL MARCEAU WOULD SAY: "I'm the most famous mime in the world, and I actually talk quite a bit when I'm not performing."
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You're no fun. You're right, of course, but no fun at all.
Would anyone else dispute the buzz on "a French potato?" There is indeed such a thing as a French potato, I saw them on my plate there.
clemon79
Dec 9 2003, 03:53 PM
| QUOTE (Jay Temple @ Dec 9 2003, 10:50 AM) |
| Explanation: Randy Newman is over six feet tall. "Randy Newman's enemies" would have been acceptable. |
Interesting. What if Brad Garrett gave that clue? Or Richart Moll? Six foot ain't nothin' when you're standing next to Manute Bol.
ChuckNet
Dec 9 2003, 08:07 PM
| QUOTE |
My favorite example of a clue that didn't fit the category:
SHORT PEOPLE
Randy Newman--Bzzz!
Explanation: Randy Newman is over six feet tall. "Randy Newman's enemies" would have been acceptable. |
Here's another one:
"Mr. Mostel's name", given by Dick Cavett as a clue for Numbers w/a Zero...he was buzzed, and despite Clark's explanation that it would've been legal had the category not been *Numbers* w/a Zero, he was still pissed and was basically ready to take out the judge. A classic moment. :-)
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
Jay Temple
Dec 10 2003, 01:02 PM
| QUOTE (Neumms @ Dec 9 2003, 12:12 PM) |
| Would anyone else dispute the buzz on "a French potato?" There is indeed such a thing as a French potato, I saw them on my plate there. |
I agreed with the buzz, but you have at the very least illustrated the difficulty in interpreting some of the rules.
They said that there is no such thing as a French potato. In one sense, there are such things as French poodles, Belgian waffles and English muffins, but not Belgian poodles, English waffles and French muffins. That is the sense in which it would be improper to refer to a French potato.
I think what they really meant is that the word French in the clue was not an adjective modifying "potato," but an adverb modifying--describing, if you will--"fried."
The question is, would this be an instance of the judges claiming to read the clue-giver's mind?
Jay Temple
Dec 10 2003, 01:05 PM
| QUOTE (clemon79 @ Dec 9 2003, 02:53 PM) |
| QUOTE (Jay Temple @ Dec 9 2003, 10:50 AM) | | Explanation: Randy Newman is over six feet tall. "Randy Newman's enemies" would have been acceptable. |
Interesting. What if Brad Garrett gave that clue? Or Richart Moll? Six foot ain't nothin' when you're standing next to Manute Bol.
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I can think of one or two people who might know who gave that clue. But, do you really want the judges to tell a contestant, "We need you to stand next to this measuring stick so that we can determine whether your clue is legal"?
clemon79
Dec 10 2003, 05:30 PM
| QUOTE (Jay Temple @ Dec 10 2003, 11:05 AM) |
| But, do you really want the judges to tell a contestant, "We need you to stand next to this measuring stick so that we can determine whether your clue is legal"? |
Exactly my point, it seems kind of a subjective term to be buzzing. :)
I picture a plywood standup of Dick Clark holding out his hand with a word balloon saying "YOU MUST BE AT LEAST THIS TALL TO GIVE THIS CLUE" :)
Kevin Prather
Dec 10 2003, 06:07 PM
| QUOTE (Jay Temple @ Dec 10 2003, 01:02 PM) |
| I think what they really meant is that the word French in the clue was not an adjective modifying "potato," but an adverb modifying--describing, if you will--"fried." |
And yet John O'Hurley was allowed to say "a daddy spider" for "THINGS WITH LONG LEGS". Granted this WAS on the Osmond show, so it may not be a good basis, but still...
Robert Hutchinson
Dec 11 2003, 09:50 AM
| QUOTE (whoserman @ Dec 10 2003, 06:07 PM) |
| And yet John O'Hurley was allowed to say "a daddy spider" for "THINGS WITH LONG LEGS". Granted this WAS on the Osmond show, so it may not be a good basis, but still... |
Hell, the producers on the Osmond show probably had "daddy spider" penciled in as the perfect clue.
Jay Temple
Dec 22 2003, 12:29 PM
| QUOTE (GS Warehouse @ Dec 8 2003, 10:37 PM) |
| QUOTE (Little Big Brother @ Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM) | | The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone. |
One example of such an infraction: in 1982, the subject was "Things you fry", and Barry Gordon was buzzed for the clue "a French potato". Jack Clark said there is no such thing.
Here's my facetious subject...one that hits home with this group:
GOOD GAME SHOW JOKES! :-D
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I'm not sure this even requires spoiler space, given how little info I'm going to pass on, but last week (12/18, I think), they had this category again on Osmond's Pyramid. The clue "French potatoes" was given and not disqualified. I know the contestant didn't get it off that clue, but I don't remember whether he/she got it at all.
HYHYBT
Dec 22 2003, 05:01 PM
Oh, just say "French-cut potatoes" and be done with it.
Kevin Prather
Jan 14 2006, 03:55 PM
Sorry to bump the thread, but I was playing Pyramid with my friends, and one of them wrote up a fantastically ridiculous category for the top level...are you ready for this?...
"Things you could be."
What the hell do you say for that? Discuss and cuss.
clemon79
Jan 14 2006, 04:04 PM
QUOTE(whoserman @ Jan 14 2006, 12:55 PM)
Sorry to bump the thread, but I was playing Pyramid with my friends, and one of them wrote up a fantastically ridiculous category for the top level...are you ready for this?...
"Things you could be."
What the hell do you say for that? Discuss and cuss.
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"A contender." (Or, "A contendah".)
(And here's the problem with that category: what's the keyword? Are you gonna run into the "Things Found On A Cave Wall" problem with that? Very possibly.)
Kevin Prather
Jan 14 2006, 04:15 PM
"A contendah" is what he came up with in the postmortem.
My guess is that "be" would be the keyword. It makes for a pretty lousy clue though, because wouldn't you have to accept "is" and "are" too, since they're forms of the word?
Celeb: A human being. A male, a female...
Contestant: Things that are...
*dingdingdingdingdingding*
Contestant: Wait, what??
Opponents: Wait, WHAT???
fostergray82
Jan 14 2006, 04:54 PM
QUOTE(whoserman @ Jan 14 2006, 03:55 PM)
Sorry to bump the thread, but I was playing Pyramid with my friends, and one of them wrote up a fantastically ridiculous category for the top level...are you ready for this?...
"Things you could be."
What the hell do you say for that? Discuss and cuss.
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"Contender" (-DAH?) is a good clue, but it reminds me of when Dick Cavett appeared on "$100K Pyramid" and walked to center stage, and held up a cue card which read "Things You Do". Dick was understandably confused.
As for things you could be...how about "all you can...in the Army." Maybe sing it like the jingle.
Kevin Prather
Jan 14 2006, 04:55 PM
Things you do: your laundry, your chores, your homework, the twist, the hokey-pokey...
Steve McClellan
Jan 14 2006, 05:06 PM
QUOTE(whoserman @ Jan 14 2006, 01:55 PM)
Things you do: your laundry, your chores, your homework, the twist, the hokey-pokey...
Okay, another legality question: "That Thing." "That Tom Hanks Thing."
Thing is certainly part of the category, but I've seen "_______ things" given as a clue for "Things That Are ________" and not zapped often enough that it might be worth a try. Jury?
clemon79
Jan 14 2006, 05:28 PM
QUOTE(Steve McClellan @ Jan 14 2006, 02:06 PM)
Thing is certainly part of the category, but I've seen "_______ things" given as a clue for "Things That Are ________" and not zapped often enough that it might be worth a try. Jury?
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I'd let it fly. I think they're more interested in the whole "essense of the answer" thing to ding you on something like that.
Steve Gavazzi
Jan 14 2006, 05:42 PM
QUOTE(whoserman @ Jan 14 2006, 04:15 PM)
Celeb: A human being. A male, a female...
Contestant: Things that are...
*dingdingdingdingdingding*
Contestant: Wait, what??
Opponents: Wait, WHAT???
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Problem here is, you're never gonna get to that point, 'cause you've already been buzzed on "being."
Modor
Jan 14 2006, 05:47 PM
QUOTE(fostergray82 @ Jan 14 2006, 04:54 PM)
As for things you could be...how about "all you can...in the Army." Maybe sing it like the jingle.
Illegal; preposition.
Robert Hutchinson
Jan 14 2006, 05:58 PM
THINGS YOU COULD BE works better on the Osmond version, with their desire for the entire category to be uttered. (Side note: I would've actually preferred that setup slightly to the previous versions' keywords, except that they kept using categories that were just cruel in that situation--ROOMS IN THE WHITE HOUSE?)
As long as we're having fun with common verbs, who wants to try THINGS YOU LIKE? I have a couple in mind . . .
Steve McClellan
Jan 14 2006, 06:00 PM
QUOTE(Robert Hutchinson @ Jan 14 2006, 02:58 PM)
who wants to try THINGS YOU LIKE? I have a couple in mind . . .
Bread and butter. Toast and jam....
Kevin Prather
Jan 14 2006, 06:16 PM
Your crush. Your girlfriend.
TLEberle
Jan 14 2006, 06:48 PM
If you could affect the kiddie voice from the commercial, "Life cereal" would be good if your partner is old enough to remember that.
Kevin Prather
Jan 14 2006, 07:27 PM
Mikey's Life cereal.
Robert Hutchinson
Jan 14 2006, 08:40 PM
Dangit, now I've gone and forgotten my better of the two I had since I posted that. "Ike" was the other.
pyrfan
Jan 14 2006, 11:24 PM
Jumping back to the THINGS YOU FRY debate, Joel Brooks also used "French potatoes" as a clue in 1987 and got buzzed. Dick Clark argued that there were Irish potatoes, German potatoes, and Idaho potatoes, so why couldn't there be a French potato? After the commercial, Dick announced that the judge had agreed with his argument. The point was, even though Joel was obviously making a reference to french fries, since a potato grown in France would be a French potato and you could fry it, the judge couldn't disqualify the clue.
Brendan
Robert Hutchinson
Jan 15 2006, 06:59 AM
So the consensus seems to be that they had no consensus on "French potato" over the years?
I give a yea to "french-cut potato", and a nay to "French potato"--yeah, such a thing could exist, but the giver obviously isn't saying it because French potatoes are very well-known for being fried. You can grab a grab bag, too.
Kevin Prather
Jan 15 2006, 02:11 PM
And I think Mayim Bialik became very attractive in her later years. Therefore, she DID blossom, dammit! ;-)
Fedya
Jan 16 2006, 12:22 AM
The way to get around it is to say "Frenched potatoes", since frenching is a way of cutting potatoes. Not that the judges would recognize the word if it came down to making such a split-second decision.
Kevin Prather
Jan 16 2006, 12:43 AM
QUOTE(Fedya @ Jan 15 2006, 10:22 PM)
Frenching is a way of cutting potatoes.
Wow. I've known people who can do some cool things with their tongues, but DAMN...
Robert Hutchinson
Jan 16 2006, 10:34 PM
QUOTE(Fedya @ Jan 16 2006, 12:22 AM)
The way to get around it is to say "Frenched potatoes", since frenching is a way of cutting potatoes.
Or, you know, "French-cut potatoes".
trainman
Jan 17 2006, 11:07 PM
QUOTE(Robert Hutchinson @ Jan 14 2006, 02:58 PM)
As long as we're having fun with common verbs, who wants to try THINGS YOU LIKE? I have a couple in mind . . .
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If only 7-Up were still using their "You like it, it likes you" slogan.
Modor
Jan 18 2006, 12:41 AM
QUOTE(Robert Hutchinson @ Jan 14 2006, 05:58 PM)
As long as we're having fun with common verbs, who wants to try THINGS YOU LIKE? I have a couple in mind . . .
What about "Green Eggs and Ham"?..or "Sam's Green Eggs"...
uncamark
Jan 18 2006, 02:34 PM
QUOTE(trainman @ Jan 17 2006, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE(Robert Hutchinson @ Jan 14 2006, 02:58 PM)
As long as we're having fun with common verbs, who wants to try THINGS YOU LIKE? I have a couple in mind . . .
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If only 7-Up were still using their "You like it, it likes you" slogan.
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"Just look for the big 7 on the bottle and U-P after!"
sshuffield70
Jan 18 2006, 11:36 PM
QUOTE(uncamark @ Jan 18 2006, 02:34 PM)
"Just look for the big 7 on the bottle and U-P after!"
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He'll be here all week, folks!
gameboy2000
Jan 21 2006, 03:10 PM
Here is a good one:
THINGS THAT ARE SEVERE
SamJ93
Jan 21 2006, 03:22 PM
Thunderstorms, punishments, tire damage.
Maybe not a top-level category, but it is a good one...I'd stick it somewhere on the middle row.
--Sam
MikeK
Jan 21 2006, 04:01 PM
QUOTE(SamJ93 @ Jan 21 2006, 03:22 PM)
Thunderstorms, punishments, tire damage.
Adding a few more...
Thunderstorm warnings (or storm warnings in general), bleeding, diseases, some illnesses, pains, a critic. Definitely $250 material.
hobbitrjw
Jan 21 2006, 10:51 PM
and if you wanted to go further in with weather you might say...A tornado,A hurricane,Flooding,maybe Earthquakes. maybe even $300 material there.
musicman
Jan 22 2006, 04:20 PM
Titov...Tereshkova...Leonov....Komorov...Gagarin...
clemon79
Jan 22 2006, 04:36 PM
QUOTE(musicman @ Jan 22 2006, 01:20 PM)
Titov...Tereshkova...Leonov....Komorov...Gagarin...
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What the hell are you talking about?
fostergray82
Jan 22 2006, 04:44 PM
QUOTE(clemon79 @ Jan 22 2006, 04:36 PM)
QUOTE(musicman @ Jan 22 2006, 01:20 PM)
Titov...Tereshkova...Leonov....Komorov...Gagarin...
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What the hell are you talking about?
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I just did a search...looks like they're astronauts, Russian maybe? I think musicman is in the wrong thread.
clemon79
Jan 22 2006, 04:46 PM
QUOTE(fostergray82 @ Jan 22 2006, 01:44 PM)
I just did a search...looks like they're astronauts, Russian maybe? I think musicman is in the wrong thread.
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I think he's on the wrong website, myself.
musicman
Jan 22 2006, 04:59 PM
This is the thread about $300 tournament questions is it not?
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