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TheLastResort
QUOTE(alex99 @ Jan 15 2009, 09:58 PM) [snapback]206382[/snapback]
Has anyone on this board ever actually directed a gameshow? Or any show for that matter?
You sure are good at criticizing other director's work.


I was a director in local TV for around 15 years, and that's precisely why I've never commented on Bart's work: I know it's much harder than it looks to the average viewer. Having said that, I think constructive criticism is fine as long as isn't the "I can do better" nonsense.


rialtus
QUOTE(chris319 @ Jan 15 2009, 08:47 PM) [snapback]206400[/snapback]
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wondering when all these recent firings will stop
Why do you care? Your job's not at stake.
I'm not the original poster, but I can see the point here. I think the concern is that there is a loss of domain knowledge when there are a lot of people who leave, which can impact the quality of the show. Given the complexity of the show and the changing of various key people in the organization, things may not be done the way the always were, and this is a risk in some people's opinion.
Jay Temple
Point of information:

Am I right in thinking that he had the authority to order a retake when Drew was so low-key on the showcase bid that was exactly right?
Matt Ottinger
QUOTE(Jay Temple @ Jan 16 2009, 01:57 PM) [snapback]206433[/snapback]
Am I right in thinking that he had the authority to order a retake when Drew was so low-key on the showcase bid that was exactly right?

Probably not. That's the way it would normally work in television, but Drew is the 800 pound gorilla, and if he didn't feel like doing something the director wanted, the director would lose that battle..
clemon79
QUOTE(Jay Temple @ Jan 16 2009, 10:57 AM) [snapback]206433[/snapback]

Am I right in thinking that he had the authority to order a retake when Drew was so low-key on the showcase bid that was exactly right?

Whether he did or not: why the heck WOULD you?

By re-enacting that whole thing completely, after the fact, what kind of footage do you think you're going to get out of that now-utterly-fake-instead-of-just-somewhat moment that is the least bit usable?
chris319
QUOTE(clemon79 @ Jan 16 2009, 11:11 AM) [snapback]206437[/snapback]

QUOTE(Jay Temple @ Jan 16 2009, 10:57 AM) [snapback]206433[/snapback]

Am I right in thinking that he had the authority to order a retake when Drew was so low-key on the showcase bid that was exactly right?

Whether he did or not: why the heck WOULD you?

By re-enacting that whole thing completely, after the fact, what kind of footage do you think you're going to get out of that now-utterly-fake-instead-of-just-somewhat moment that is the least bit usable?

You risk losing whatever spontaneity there was in the contestant's reaction, even though I believe Terry's astonishment was feigned to a large extent. I hope you would risk S.V. or M.R. storming the booth demanding to know "What the hell are you doing?".
clemon79
QUOTE(chris319 @ Jan 16 2009, 01:06 PM) [snapback]206439[/snapback]

You risk losing whatever spontaneity there was in the contestant's reaction, even though I believe Terry's astonishment was feigned to a large extent.

My point exactly. You can't fake that. At all. You either get it the first time or you don't get it at all.

/way to go, Ted
tpirfan28
QUOTE(chris319 @ Jan 16 2009, 04:06 PM) [snapback]206439[/snapback]

You risk losing whatever spontaneity there was in the contestant's reaction, even though I believe Terry's astonishment was feigned to a large extent.

Linked for evidence. Snapped right after Drew spoke the price, and 0 lit up.

TPIR mostly is one show that really can't be hacked up in post and have a jillion retakes. You get the spontaneity once.
alex99
QUOTE(fostergray82 @ Jan 15 2009, 10:46 PM) [snapback]206387[/snapback]

QUOTE(alex99 @ Jan 15 2009, 09:58 PM) [snapback]206382[/snapback]

Has anyone on this board ever actually directed a gameshow? Or any show for that matter?
You sure are good at criticizing other director's work.

Wow...so defensive over nothing. This is a message board, opinions are discussed, and guess what? Some of those opinions you may not agree with. I only played one year of Pee Wee football, but it doesn't stop me from criticizing my favorite team. Every opinion I've seen was for the most part, reasonable, and not in the "h8r" territory that you're implying.

BTW, you'll find that many of us (myself included), have extensive directing and other behind-the-camera experience, so your efforts at snark could very well backfire on you.


I agree, the show looks cheesy. All I'm saying is, you don't know the situation the guy was in. Maybe the producers wanted it to look that way. Maybe he tried to update the look and they wouldn't let him.
TroubadourNando
QUOTE (chris319 @ Jan 15 2009, 11:47 PM) *
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wondering when all these recent firings will stop

Why do you care? Your job's not at stake. What is your job, BTW?


Way to rub salt in the wound. >_>

All I said was that people should stop being fired over there (and I highly doubt Roger, etc. were all fired due to the economy) If you want me to expand, frequent turnover in employees is going to hurt the show eventually; that principle can apply to nearly any workplace, I think.
clemon79
QUOTE (TroubadourNando @ Jan 16 2009, 04:41 PM) *
(and I highly doubt Roger, etc. were all fired due to the economy)

I dunno about Roger, but I absolutely am willing to entertain that Bart's leaving the show had to do with what he was being paid, considering how long he had been around, in the absence of any other evidence telling me otherwise.

That said, I don't know what sort of compensation DiPirro commands and whether or not it's comparable to what Bart made. This is strictly conjecture. But I think to wave your hand and say "oh, this has nothing to do with the economy being in the crapper" is being somewhat dismissive.
TroubadourNando
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Jan 16 2009, 07:55 PM) *
QUOTE (TroubadourNando @ Jan 16 2009, 04:41 PM) *

(and I highly doubt Roger, etc. were all fired due to the economy)

I dunno about Roger, but I absolutely am willing to entertain that Bart's leaving the show had to do with what he was being paid, considering how long he had been around, in the absence of any other evidence telling me otherwise.

That said, I don't know what sort of compensation DiPirro commands and whether or not it's comparable to what Bart made. This is strictly conjecture. But I think to wave your hand and say "oh, this has nothing to do with the economy being in the crapper" is being somewhat dismissive.


Do I think it's possible the economy did him in? Of course it is. Likely? That I don't.

And this is just the knee-jerk impression I get, but I would personally guess DiPirro's experience advantage over Bart would command him a higher price. That's just my guess, anyway.
clemon79
QUOTE(TroubadourNando @ Jan 16 2009, 05:01 PM) [snapback]206462[/snapback]

Do I think it's possible the economy did him in? Of course it is. Likely? That I don't.

Okay, well, we disagree there.
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And this is just the knee-jerk impression I get, but I would personally guess DiPirro's experience advantage over Bart would command him a higher price. That's just my guess, anyway.

I wasn't aware DiPirro had such an advantage.
chris319
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All I said was that people should stop being fired over there

Nice evasive answer. Now tell us why and what business it is of yours.

Speaking in general terms, a game show director who misses or refuses to take game-winning reveals should be in another line of work. Roger didn't deserve to go but Bart did. I know both of them.
TroubadourNando
QUOTE(chris319 @ Jan 16 2009, 08:39 PM) [snapback]206465[/snapback]

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All I said was that people should stop being fired over there

Nice evasive answer. Now tell us why and what business it is of yours.

Speaking in general terms, a game show director who misses or refuses to take game-winning reveals should be in another line of work. Roger didn't deserve to go but Bart did. I know both of them.


Okay, I really don't know why you're so upset over what I said. I really don't. I thought we were all entitled to our opinions? Mine is that too many people have been fired from Price since last July when Roger was fired. That's all.

Note that I didn't DEFEND Bart either---in fact, I think I clearly said he was "at best dull and uncreative" and later called his style "crappy"---so really, I think you're coming after me for nothing.
chris319
Another nice non-answer.
PYLdude
QUOTE(chris319 @ Jan 16 2009, 10:48 PM) [snapback]206469[/snapback]

Another nice non-answer.


With all due respect, Chris, why the hell do you care so much why he thinks the way he does?
WhammyGuy28
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dale_grass
QUOTE(WhammyGuy28 @ Jan 17 2009, 09:35 AM) [snapback]206484[/snapback]

Good to see Sondra Locke has found work in this sluggish economy.
rwalker
QUOTE(chris319 @ Jan 16 2009, 08:39 PM) [snapback]206465[/snapback]

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All I said was that people should stop being fired over there

Nice evasive answer. Now tell us why and what business it is of yours.

Speaking in general terms, a game show director who misses or refuses to take game-winning reveals should be in another line of work. Roger didn't deserve to go but Bart did. I know both of them.


I'm not agreeing just to kiss anybody's behind or gain status here, but Chris319 is spot on with this one. I don't necessarily agree with him 100% of the time, but he damn sure got it this time. Roger was the last link from TPIR and Mark Goodson productions, now it's pretty much all Fremantled to hell. Greco has been with the show, what, about 25 years or so?

Modor
QUOTE(rwalker @ Jan 18 2009, 05:55 PM) [snapback]206579[/snapback]

now it's pretty much all Fremantled to hell.
And what exactly does this mean?
dazztardly
Can we lock this already?
HYHYBT
The question is, will the new one be better or worse?
SRIV94
QUOTE(HYHYBT @ Jan 19 2009, 01:02 PM) [snapback]206631[/snapback]

The question is, will the new one be better or worse?

Yes.
Joe Mello
QUOTE(SRIV94 @ Jan 19 2009, 02:24 PM) [snapback]206632[/snapback]

QUOTE(HYHYBT @ Jan 19 2009, 01:02 PM) [snapback]206631[/snapback]

The question is, will the new one be better or worse?

Yes.

I'm inclined to agree.
uncamark
QUOTE(Joe Mello @ Jan 19 2009, 01:29 PM) [snapback]206633[/snapback]

QUOTE(SRIV94 @ Jan 19 2009, 02:24 PM) [snapback]206632[/snapback]

QUOTE(HYHYBT @ Jan 19 2009, 01:02 PM) [snapback]206631[/snapback]

The question is, will the new one be better or worse?

Yes.

I'm inclined to agree.


X gets the square.
ClockGameJohn
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Jan 16 2009, 07:55 PM) *
I dunno about Roger, but I absolutely am willing to entertain that Bart's leaving the show had to do with what he was being paid, considering how long he had been around, in the absence of any other evidence telling me otherwise.


I can safely say that finances didn't play into this.
clemon79
QUOTE(ClockGameJohn @ Jan 19 2009, 05:51 PM) [snapback]206653[/snapback]

I can safely say that finances didn't play into this.

Fair enough. You'd know better than I. :)
Mr. Bill
QUOTE(chris319 @ Jan 15 2009, 11:39 PM) [snapback]206399[/snapback]

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Who can they bring in that would do a better job as a rookie at a show with as many moving parts as Price?

Andy Felsher. He would have the shortest learning curve of anyone besides perhaps Fred Witten.

Just getting back up to speed.

First, I have directed numerous public access tv shows, as well as doing production -- many of the projects involving Matt Ottinger©.

Second, Andy Felsher does have a distinct advantage. He directed the ill-fated '94 syndicated version, he also directed Eubanks Card Sharks and the late-80s Now You See It.
chris319
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Andy Felsher does have a distinct advantage. He directed the ill-fated '94 syndicated version, he also directed Eubanks Card Sharks and the late-80s Now You See It.

Andy does have good credentials, but it's kind of a moot point now.
jmangin
Wasn't Andy Felsher also playing a role with TPiR Live in Atlantic City a few years ago?
cmjb13
QUOTE(jmangin @ Jan 24 2009, 12:22 PM) [snapback]206862[/snapback]

Wasn't Andy Felsher also playing a role with TPiR Live in Atlantic City a few years ago?

Yes.

Roger told me a story when he attended TPIR Live in San Francisco or San Diego. Andy told him before the show started that Chuck is all wrong for TPIR and not to expect much. After the show was over, Roger said that Chuck was wonderful, vulnerable, & charming and couldn't understand why Andy said that.
tvwxman
QUOTE(jmangin @ Jan 24 2009, 12:22 PM) [snapback]206862[/snapback]

Wasn't Andy Felsher also playing a role with TPiR Live in Atlantic City a few years ago?

Still does. Good guy.
chris319
For the record, Bart Eskander's wife Susan asserts that Bart voluntarily resigned from his position as director of The Price Is Right and was not fired.

The Game Show Forum does not endorse any particular theory or speculation as to why Bart is no longer director of The Price Is Right.
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