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xavier45
This has been confirmed over at G-R.net that Bart Eskander is no longer director of Price after 8 years on the job. The original poster of the thread says that Drew was instrumental in Bart's departure from the show, but that was not confirmed.

http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,9988.45.html

Marc confirms it in Post #7.
PYLdude
Okay.

They complained and complained about the guy's job, but now that he's gone they suddenly have regrets?

I'd figure they'd be ecstatic.
Johnissoevil
QUOTE (PYLdude @ Jan 15 2009, 03:23 PM) *
Okay.

They complained and complained about the guy's job, but now that he's gone they suddenly have regrets?

I'd figure they'd be ecstatic.


A few stuck to their guns on their opinion. But yeah, those who are now feeling bad for him after they b****ed about him, all we can can really do is sit here and laugh at them for being so two faced. As for Bart, I've seen his name in the credits of many Goodson/Pearson/Fremantle shows over the years, he couldn't have been that bad if he was with the company for as long as he was.
clemon79
QUOTE (PYLdude @ Jan 15 2009, 12:23 PM) *
Okay.
They complained and complained about the guy's job, but now that he's gone they suddenly have regrets?
I'd figure they'd be ecstatic.

I dunno if you've noticed, but a fair amount of folks over there don't do change well.
PYLdude
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Jan 15 2009, 03:45 PM) *
QUOTE (PYLdude @ Jan 15 2009, 12:23 PM) *

Okay.
They complained and complained about the guy's job, but now that he's gone they suddenly have regrets?
I'd figure they'd be ecstatic.

I dunno if you've noticed, but a fair amount of folks over there don't do change well.


What makes you think I didn't make that statement with that in mind?
Don Howard
QUOTE(Johnissoevil @ Jan 15 2009, 03:36 PM) [snapback]206325[/snapback]

he couldn't have been that bad if he was with the company for as long as he was.

Just because someone does something at the same business for a long time doesn't mean he was any good at it. I may catch some heat for this, but I offer the Joe Franklin example. Personal opinion, I grant you, but I thought he was awful. And yet, he held that post for forty years.
SRIV94
QUOTE(Don Howard @ Jan 15 2009, 03:04 PM) [snapback]206331[/snapback]

I offer the Joe Franklin example. Personal opinion, I grant you, but I thought he was awful. And yet, he held that post for forty years.

Billy Crystal's version was better.

/Matzohs by Streitz, for the unleavened experience of a lifetime, my friends.
//So that's where McCain got that from!
uncamark
QUOTE(Don Howard @ Jan 15 2009, 03:04 PM) [snapback]206331[/snapback]

QUOTE(Johnissoevil @ Jan 15 2009, 03:36 PM) [snapback]206325[/snapback]

he couldn't have been that bad if he was with the company for as long as he was.

Just because someone does something at the same business for a long time doesn't mean he was any good at it. I may catch some heat for this, but I offer the Joe Franklin example. Personal opinion, I grant you, but I thought he was awful. And yet, he held that post for forty years.


Eskander didn't start out as a director--he was a PA, a music supervisor and an AD before becoming a director. I suspect he was a perfectly competent AD who was promoted beyond the level of his competence.
tpirfan28
I see this twofold:

- Bart sucked, glad he's gone.
- Who can they bring in that would do a better job as a rookie at a show with as many moving parts as Price? I'm apprehensive that the director can, at minimum, maintain the same level that Bart did. Price just seems really complex.
Don Howard
QUOTE(uncamark @ Jan 15 2009, 04:08 PM) [snapback]206333[/snapback]

Eskander didn't start out as a director--he was a PA, a music supervisor and an AD before becoming a director. I suspect he was a perfectly competent AD who was promoted beyond the level of his competence.

Ye olde Peter Principle, eh? Okay, I'll give you that.
clemon79
QUOTE(tpirfan28 @ Jan 15 2009, 01:09 PM) [snapback]206334[/snapback]

Who can they bring in that would do a better job as a rookie at a show with as many moving parts as Price? I'm apprehensive that the director can, at minimum, maintain the same level that Bart did. Price just seems really complex.

Funny, since there were an awful lot of armchair directors up in here who thought a trained seal could do a better job when he was calling the shots.
Don Howard
QUOTE(clemon79 @ Jan 15 2009, 04:42 PM) [snapback]206338[/snapback]

QUOTE(tpirfan28 @ Jan 15 2009, 01:09 PM) [snapback]206334[/snapback]

Who can they bring in that would do a better job as a rookie at a show with as many moving parts as Price? I'm apprehensive that the director can, at minimum, maintain the same level that Bart did. Price just seems really complex.

Funny, since there were an awful lot of armchair directors up in here who thought a trained seal could do a better job when he was calling the shots.

Can't wait to hear what tune gets whistled once the first of the post-Bart eppies is televised. In fact, I wonder if a Facebook group's been started lamenting the release of The Esk. I shall investigate and report back.
ADDED A FEW MINUTES LATER: There are none. This will bear watching, however.
CarShark
Was it like this in the mid-90s, after Dian and Holly weren't on the show? Every article or every statement tinged with drama, insecurity, tension. Never knowing what to believe. Never knowing who to believe. This is really getting tiresome. At least, since it doesn't involve on-air personnel, it doesn't appear like it will lead to backlash against the show.

Personally, I didn't care much for Eskander's style. I just never understood how he could have so many effects and transitions and other tools (especially with computer technology being so much better) at his disposal, and he chose to use so few. To me, it's like an artist going into his studio every day, staring at his canvas and after a couple hours of cogitation deciding, "I know! I'll paint it......white!" Every. Single. Day. It doesn't make sense to me. I don't know how much of that was his own decision and how much was Barker leaning on him (like I bet he was, judging from a few of the later changes for cars and Plinko), but it always struck me as lazy.
Chief-O
ClockGameJohn has confirmed that R. Brian DiPirro will be "Price"'s next director.
Jimmy Owen
QUOTE(Chief-O @ Jan 15 2009, 06:32 PM) [snapback]206347[/snapback]

ClockGameJohn has confirmed that R. Brian DiPirro will be "Price"'s next director.



Ahhh, so everything will be done in post from now on.
Chief-O
QUOTE(Jimmy Owen @ Jan 15 2009, 05:40 PM) [snapback]206349[/snapback]

Ahhh, so everything will be done in post from now on.


That is one thing I'd worry about, but hey----time will tell. This might actually prove that he can do a show live to tape. But with the rest of what's happened in 33, I'm not holding my breath. Yet.
clemon79
QUOTE(CarShark @ Jan 15 2009, 03:31 PM) [snapback]206346[/snapback]

Every article or every statement tinged with drama, insecurity, tension.

I've seen none of that in this thread.

Congratulations on being the first, though.
pianogeek
Considering how far he's come in his career since Street Smarts, talk about a promotion of sorts for Richard Brian DiPirro. Doing the granddaddy of game shows full time. (I know Marco Mancini does the Deal gig now) Best of luck to him.
TimK2003
QUOTE(Chief-O @ Jan 15 2009, 07:32 PM) [snapback]206347[/snapback]

ClockGameJohn has confirmed that R. Brian DiPirro will be "Price"'s next director.



Since DiPirro sure loved to take shots of the audience on Deal or No Deal, he'll fit right in here!
Joe Mello
QUOTE(CarShark @ Jan 15 2009, 06:31 PM) [snapback]206346[/snapback]
I just never understood how he could have so many effects and transitions and other tools (especially with computer technology being so much better) at his disposal, and he chose to use so few.

And that's a problem because......

Maybe this is just my prematurely decomposing brain, but I thought the 2 main complaints were that his timing was bad and his aim was off. If the above contributed to it, so be it, but giving neat-o effects to every camera change isn't going to make things better.
TroubadourNando
My issue isn't with Bart leaving---I'm concurring that he was, at best, a really dull and uncreative director---it's with 1) wondering when all these recent firings will stop, and 2) that the idea of Price's directing becoming that of DoND's leaves me extremely skeptical....at best.
clemon79
QUOTE(TroubadourNando @ Jan 15 2009, 04:31 PM) [snapback]206360[/snapback]

1) wondering when all these recent firings will stop,

Welcome to a crap economy.
QUOTE

2) that the idea of Price's directing becoming that of DoND's leaves me extremely skeptical....at best.

I have to wonder if you people would even *notice* if this hadn't gone public.
fostergray82
QUOTE(TroubadourNando @ Jan 15 2009, 07:31 PM) [snapback]206360[/snapback]

2) that the idea of Price's directing becoming that of DoND's leaves me extremely skeptical....at best.

I've expressed my issues with DiPirro's constant audience shots, mainly because they're so gratuitous on D/ND. As Tim said, at least he now gets to directs a show where it makes sense to constantly go to the audience (except for the newly-implemented bump shots of the audience coming out of commercial).

Constant audience shots notwithstanding, he did a competent enough job with the Marathon and the other shows he's done this decade. Would it really be as much of an issue if he weren't involved with Endemol (given their reputation) as much?
CarShark
QUOTE (clemon79 @ Jan 15 2009, 07:17 PM) *
QUOTE (CarShark @ Jan 15 2009, 03:31 PM) *

Every article or every statement tinged with drama, insecurity, tension.

I've seen none of that in this thread.

Congratulations on being the first, though.
Waitasecond. Take your shots if you must (and knowing you, you must), but I think the linked thread starting with the assertion that Drew specifically led to Eskander's departure (which is still speculation) did have all of those.
Matt Ottinger
QUOTE (CarShark @ Jan 15 2009, 08:11 PM) *
Waitasecond. Take your shots if you must (and knowing you, you must), but I think the linked thread starting with the assertion that Drew specifically led to Eskander's departure (which is still speculation) did have all of those.

But this one did not. And what you said was:
QUOTE (CarShark @ Jan 15 2009, 06:31 PM) *
Every article or every statement tinged with drama, insecurity, tension.

"Every" article. That means all. Words Have Meanings.
chad1m
QUOTE(Matt Ottinger @ Jan 15 2009, 08:29 PM) [snapback]206373[/snapback]
Words Have Meanings.
Contemplated filing a trademark or a copyright so you can profit off of that?
clemon79
QUOTE(CarShark @ Jan 15 2009, 05:11 PM) [snapback]206370[/snapback]

Take your shots if you must (and knowing you, you must)

Approves
aaron sica
QUOTE(chad1m @ Jan 15 2009, 08:32 PM) [snapback]206374[/snapback]

QUOTE(Matt Ottinger @ Jan 15 2009, 08:29 PM) [snapback]206373[/snapback]
Words Have Meanings.
Contemplated filing a trademark or a copyright so you can profit off of that?


He's Matt Ottinger. The trademark is implied. :)
TroubadourNando

QUOTE

2) that the idea of Price's directing becoming that of DoND's leaves me extremely skeptical....at best.

QUOTE
I have to wonder if you people would even *notice* if this hadn't gone public.


Uh, yeah, Eskander's style was reasonably crappy enough that you'd notice a change for either good or bad.

I have to say I'm surprised I'm now one of 'you people' since my reaction wasn't rabidly positive.
alex99
Has anyone on this board ever actually directed a gameshow? Or any show for that matter?
You sure are good at criticizing other director's work.
fostergray82
QUOTE(alex99 @ Jan 15 2009, 09:58 PM) [snapback]206382[/snapback]

Has anyone on this board ever actually directed a gameshow? Or any show for that matter?
You sure are good at criticizing other director's work.

Wow...so defensive over nothing. This is a message board, opinions are discussed, and guess what? Some of those opinions you may not agree with. I only played one year of Pee Wee football, but it doesn't stop me from criticizing my favorite team. Every opinion I've seen was for the most part, reasonable, and not in the "h8r" territory that you're implying.

BTW, you'll find that many of us (myself included), have extensive directing and other behind-the-camera experience, so your efforts at snark could very well backfire on you.
clemon79
QUOTE(fostergray82 @ Jan 15 2009, 07:46 PM) [snapback]206387[/snapback]

BTW, you'll find that many of us (myself included), have extensive directing and other behind-the-camera experience, so your efforts at snark could very well backfire on you.

Yeah, I was gonna say, I've never directed anything more complicated than a :30 news promo, but I've damn well worked the other crew jobs long enough to know a bad one when I see one.
CarShark
QUOTE(Matt Ottinger @ Jan 15 2009, 08:29 PM) [snapback]206373[/snapback]
"Every" article. That means all. Words Have Meanings.
Fine, then. I misspoke. Big deal. It still doesn't warrant an attack. Then again, I wouldn't expect you to not completely miss that and defend Lemon.
clemon79
The previous statement is awesome in so many ways, I can't even begin to tell you.
CarShark
QUOTE(clemon79 @ Jan 15 2009, 11:19 PM) [snapback]206395[/snapback]

The previous statement is awesome in so many ways, I can't even begin to tell you.
After all, why make conversation when you can make jokes?
ChrisLambert!
QUOTE(aaron sica @ Jan 15 2009, 08:40 PM) [snapback]206376[/snapback]

QUOTE(chad1m @ Jan 15 2009, 08:32 PM) [snapback]206374[/snapback]

QUOTE(Matt Ottinger @ Jan 15 2009, 08:29 PM) [snapback]206373[/snapback]
Words Have Meanings.
Contemplated filing a trademark or a copyright so you can profit off of that?


He's Matt Ottinger. The trademark is implied. :)


The word "copyright" has actually been Matt Ottingered.
TLEberle
QUOTE(CarShark @ Jan 15 2009, 08:21 PM) [snapback]206396[/snapback]
After all, why make conversation when you can make jokes?
Ok. Here's goes. Have your tickets ready, friends...

QUOTE(CarShark @ Jan 15 2009, 08:14 PM) [snapback]206394[/snapback]
QUOTE(Matt Ottinger @ Jan 15 2009, 08:29 PM) [snapback]206373[/snapback]
"Every" article. That means all. Words Have Meanings.
Fine, then. I misspoke. Big deal. It still doesn't warrant an attack. Then again, I wouldn't expect you to not completely miss that and defend Lemon.
It wouldn't be a big deal except you have shown a propensity to say whatever comes to your mind first, and then after your argument, syntax and even your word choice are made more hole-ridden than Swiss cheese, you retreat to "Bah, I misspoke!" "I wouldn't expect anything less!" and so on, rather than acknowledging our (very valid points} and trying to become a better member of our Forum, because you'd rather just continue on your merry way.

I now await your reply, to compare it with the control group.


chris319
QUOTE
Who can they bring in that would do a better job as a rookie at a show with as many moving parts as Price?

Andy Felsher. He would have the shortest learning curve of anyone besides perhaps Fred Witten.
chris319
QUOTE
wondering when all these recent firings will stop

Why do you care? Your job's not at stake. What is your job, BTW?

If RBDP gets the reveals he'll be an improvement over Bart. Never mind that it might take 2 1/2 hours to tape a show that now takes 1 1/4.
CarShark
QUOTE(TLEberle @ Jan 15 2009, 11:38 PM) [snapback]206398[/snapback]
It wouldn't be a big deal except you have shown a propensity to say whatever comes to your mind first, and then after your argument, syntax and even your word choice are made more hole-ridden than Swiss cheese, you retreat to "Bah, I misspoke!" "I wouldn't expect anything less!" and so on, rather than acknowledging our (very valid points} and trying to become a better member of our Forum, because you'd rather just continue on your merry way.
Are you still on that "line-up"/"roster" thread? I explained my error and explained my opinion in full and tried to make amends. Of course, none of that matters, apparently. Feel free to restart the dogpile.
clemon79
QUOTE(CarShark @ Jan 15 2009, 08:47 PM) [snapback]206401[/snapback]

Feel free to restart the dogpile.

If you don't want to be at the bottom of a dogpile, you should stop rubbing steak all over yourself.
CarShark
QUOTE(clemon79 @ Jan 15 2009, 11:53 PM) [snapback]206402[/snapback]
If you don't want to be at the bottom of a dogpile, you should stop rubbing steak all over yourself.
Yes, because it couldn't possibly be you or Travis stepping over the line.
clemon79
QUOTE(CarShark @ Jan 15 2009, 09:08 PM) [snapback]206405[/snapback]

Yes, because it couldn't possibly be you or Travis stepping over the line.

Looking at both Travis's and my own contributions to the thread, that's pretty much the case, yes.
CarShark
QUOTE(clemon79 @ Jan 16 2009, 12:10 AM) [snapback]206407[/snapback]
Looking at both Travis's and my own contributions to the thread, that's pretty much the case, yes.
I contributed, as well, but you sure as hell didn't bother with the majority of my original post. You're the one that drove the whole thing off-topic by sniping at me. How is that not stepping over the line? Are rules 3 and 5 just there for show?

QUOTE
Posting messages which are harrassing, insulting, belittling or derisive to other board member(s)
...is basically all you do. All the gazpacho jokes in the whole don't take away from the fact that you get away with anything you want. So this holier-than-thou attitude you and Travis have is tiresome.
chris319
That's enough.
bscripps
QUOTE(alex99 @ Jan 15 2009, 09:58 PM) [snapback]206382[/snapback]

Has anyone on this board ever actually directed a gameshow? Or any show for that matter?
You sure are good at criticizing other director's work.

As chance would have it, I've been directing television for 18 years, including the past ten as the director of the highest-rated television program in my market, and the two Emmy Awards sitting above my monitor as I type this should count for at least a little street cred. (Not a lot, but at least a little.) Speaking in my official capacity as an Emmy Award winning director, Mr. Eskander's directing sucks.

IMHO, of course.

QUOTE(CarShark @ Jan 15 2009, 06:31 PM) [snapback]206346[/snapback]

I just never understood how he could have so many effects and transitions and other tools (especially with computer technology being so much better) at his disposal, and he chose to use so few.

Lisa: "Dad, there are other wipes besides star wipes."
Homer: "Why have hamburger when you can have steak?"

inturnaround
QUOTE(alex99 @ Jan 15 2009, 09:58 PM) [snapback]206382[/snapback]

Has anyone on this board ever actually directed a gameshow? Or any show for that matter?
You sure are good at criticizing other director's work.


Are you saying that the only people truly qualified to judge the quality of something are people of the same profession? I mean, I don't know how to boil water, but I know the difference between chicken salad and chicken shinola.
Modor
QUOTE(chad1m @ Jan 15 2009, 08:32 PM) [snapback]206374[/snapback]

QUOTE(Matt Ottinger @ Jan 15 2009, 08:29 PM) [snapback]206373[/snapback]
Words Have Meanings.
Contemplated filing a trademark or a copyright so you can profit off of that?
<computerized voice>In Soviet Russia, Ottinger copyrights you</cv>

As for the comment by our "new poster", directors, hosts, and emcees are often criticized (and praised) on these boards. Nothing wrong with having an opinion, is there?
NicholasM79
Speaking as someone who has directed a game show, no less, his directing blows. See all the aforementioned references to missing game winning reveals, etc.

Need I say more?

/Maybe, but I'm tired.
TheLastResort
QUOTE(CarShark @ Jan 16 2009, 12:17 AM) [snapback]206408[/snapback]
QUOTE
Posting messages which are harrassing, insulting, belittling or derisive to other board member(s)
...is basically all you do. All the gazpacho jokes in the whole don't take away from the fact that you get away with anything you want.


An excellent point, and thanks for having the guts to say it.


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