Bart Eskander retired?, From almost the horse's mouth himself.... Options

[Steve Gavazzi]

Eskander...."voluntarily left the show".

Hmmm, where have I heard that phrase before? Oh yeah, "Dian voluntarily left the show."

Sure seemed voluntary to me.

Oh good lord Steve.

Tyshaun

What?

Seriously, what's wrong with pointing out that they went out of their way to let Dian have a respectful exit? Hell, they even taped the show out of order so that she could do it on the season finale (she wasn't present on the two previous episodes, which were taped a week later). That hardly seems like an accomodation they'd make for somebody they wanted gone as soon as possible.

[TheLastResort]

Translation: "Don't make waves, and we'll let you have a nice send-off."

[tyshaun1]

What?

Seriously, what's wrong with pointing out that they went out of their way to let Dian have a respectful exit? Hell, they even taped the show out of order so that she could do it on the season finale (she wasn't present on the two previous episodes, which were taped a week later). That hardly seems like an accomodation they'd make for somebody they wanted gone as soon as possible.

I don't know..... maybe the fact that everyone else left on bad terms? Or maybe that Dian sued Barker a year later? But I digress.

Tyshaun

[Matt Ottinger]

Seriously, what's wrong with pointing out that they went out of their way to let Dian have a respectful exit?

Nothing, except that you appear to be presenting that as proof her departure was voluntary, and you're smart enough to know better. Regardless of the behind-the-scenes stuff that just about any remotely serious fan knows about, to just point to a video and say since everyone's smiling, everything must be okey-dokey, reeks of a naivete that we know you don't have.

[Steve Gavazzi]

Seriously, what's wrong with pointing out that they went out of their way to let Dian have a respectful exit?

Nothing, except that you appear to be presenting that as proof her departure was voluntary, and you're smart enough to know better. Regardless of the behind-the-scenes stuff that just about any remotely serious fan knows about, to just point to a video and say since everyone's smiling, everything must be okey-dokey, reeks of a naivete that we know you don't have.

I'm hardly claiming that there was no bad blood between Dian and and the rest of the staff. I'm just saying that she was given a courtesy that hasn't been afforded to anyone who left the show on bad terms either before or sense; no one else was even given so much as a passing acknowledgement by Barker, let alone an on-air goodbye. It seems entirely possible that Dian realized on her own that her backstage antics were starting to blow up on her, and even if she didn't, the mere existence of such a video seems to indicate that the circumstances behind her departure were no more sinister than someone telling her, "You know, Dian, maybe everyone would be better off if you left," and Dian agreeing.

So yes, I was more vague than I should have been...I'm just saying that it seems kind of silly to equate Dian's departure with the cluster**** that Holly's turned into.

[joker316]

I'm unsure of the actual dates, but did she leave before or after Goodson's passing? Because, AFAIK all the "bleep" hit the fan after his passing. (lawsuits, firings, etc) Maybe it was his idea, without him knowing "everything" that went on.

[Matt Ottinger]

the mere existence of such a video seems to indicate that the circumstances behind her departure were no more sinister than someone telling her, "You know, Dian, maybe everyone would be better off if you left," and Dian agreeing.

So yes, I was more vague than I should have been...I'm just saying that it seems kind of silly to equate Dian's departure with the cluster**** that Holly's turned into.

That's fair.